Drug free and disillusionment

93hopkinsonr said:And no offence to Arron, nobody mentions the 290 squat and 305 dead. Are they achieveable enough that we can accept he doesn't juice for those but because he excells at bench he must be 'on'?

Anything a bit above the ordinary and people lose perspective

billynomates said:
Same here, and I think it's a shame he's being given a hard time here.

AdamT said:
Not accusing Aaron, but the bench is far more impressive Imo. Especially at his weight. He's a freak (in a good way)

KevC86 said:
What would be the point of more tests? If he has passed 100 in the last decade and people dont believe him is passing another 10 really going to change their mind?

SimonD said:As a lifetime drug free athlete looking at Aaron's lifts I don't see why they can not be achieved, yes his bench is very high but looking at his squat and deadlift they are roughly the same (which having never met him I can't say for certain) but I would guess his arms are of average length or even shorter making him far more suited to pressing.
I'm generalising here but people who have long arms in comparison to their torso tend to be extremely good pullers so they have a much bigger deadlift than squat whereas someone with t-rex style arms is pretty much gods gift to the bench so proportionality their bench is huge.
Aaron is clearly a very knowledgeable guy and shares his programs for free with the rest of us, all you have to do is look at them. They are so well thought out and methodical not leaving a thing to chance...the guy has been doing it for years building and building those numbers refining his technique and training methods as he goes to funnily enough produce some great numbers. This didn't happen over night or within a few short months so I'm sorry but it's just plain jealousy and laziness that people can't believe that someone could be that dedicated to put the work in year after year to achieve those numbers without drugs!
Why not try following one of Aaron's programs, eating right, getting enough sleep, manning up and actually putting the work in so you do see some actual progress on your lifts rather than b**ching like little girls!!

ChrisMcCarthy said:
Well, I kind of agree...but John thought it was important, presumably because those tests would be tighter than any BDFPA / British Powerlifting / Army tests taken to date...
My only real point in this thread is that passing the test does not equal drug free - which was part of the original question - and that I think a considerable percentage of Lifters at the Top Level are on PED's of some kind, which I think plays a large part in the decisions of those Lifter who hope to compete against them to also take PED's of some kind, and no part of being called a Bell-End has caused me to change my view-point on that.
Unlike some others I've been pretty careful not to accuse individual lifters (and even if I had Cast Iron Evidence I would likely say nothing, as I've stated before my belief that Drug-Testing should be abolished) but I do think that openly arguing your drug-free status by using arguments that "convicted" drug-users have also used is at best a bit of a Circle-Jerk and at worst makes everyone involved look foolish (including myself for participating in it).
So, specifically for both Aaron and John - and recusing myself from my statement above in this one instance - I have no idea if either is using PED's but I have certainly spent some time in each of their Journals congratulating them when they've lifted well / hit PB's and commiserating their bad sessions / injuries over the years - perhaps it's not something I concern myself with overly...

IainKendrick said:I am just pulling away from Waterloo. So if there is going to be any Londin related train station drug infused punch ups today , then let me know ASAP. I'll get off at Clapham and head back!

IainKendrick said:Lol I ended up getting a 2hr delay at Fleet!

The_Lone_Wolf said:
Should have posted, I only live round the corner. We could have have a bare knuckle brawl at Basingstoke.

The_Lone_Wolf said:
Should have posted, I only live round the corner. We could have have a bare knuckle brawl at Basingstoke.